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Emmerdale again - I'm only going to say this once
Twice, if I have to go to court

Hestia
Date: 2016-06-03 20:22
Subject: Emmerdale again
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I'm having some terrible trouble with internet updatey things this week. 

Anyway! Emmerdale happened. Rhona can fuck right off (and has terrible taste in rebound relationships), Dr Bailey has suddenly jumped to the top of my list to become THE WORST THE WORST THE WOOOOOOORST, Lachlan is still a shit and a creep, Emma is still awful, Charity is amazingly awful, the set up in David's shop makes no sense and Dr Bailey is awful

And finally: DR BAILEY IS THE WORST. Daaaaaaaaaaaamn.  This entry was originally posted at http://hestia8.dreamwidth.org/71376.html.
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girlofprey
User: girlofprey
Date: 2016-06-03 20:38 (UTC)
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DR BAILEY IS THE WORST.

Yep. Although Robert's little foray into child abuse didn't exactly thrill me. Rhona almost took the cake though. She only thinks people have no right to judge her until it's clear they aren't listening. Then she's chasing them around trying to make them listen to her again. Arsehole.
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Hestia
User: hestia8
Date: 2016-06-03 21:10 (UTC)
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I think I might take back everything I've ever said about anyone else being awful or hating any other characters.

Yes, although I was quite surprised at Noah's lack of motivation for sending the texts too - I was expecting at least something like wanting the bigger room or whatever. I can only imagine Robert did that instead of telling anyone else to trigger another fight in the future (by which I mean next week).

Rhona is a fricking nightmare and she treats the people around her SO BADLY.
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girlofprey
User: girlofprey
Date: 2016-06-03 21:55 (UTC)
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Idk, I feel like Robert just likes being in control of things and ruling people through fear. Although maybe he just didn't want Liv to know she was living with someone who would do that to her with very little reason. Even so, trying to get in with a child by terrorising a much younger child doesn't score him any points with me. Also it's basically the same as he does with every other character - trying to kill Aaron when he was being inconvenient, gaslighting Chrissie so she couldn't leave him, etc - so it just seems like more of the same Robert. I swear, he reminds me so much of my sister and all her abusive bullshit (as I see now, looking back). Sometimes he does or says things and my heart pounds like she's in the room.

Dr Bailey is catching up though, just for sheer wtfuckery. Although in a lot of ways it's quite similar to Robron - a married person having someone on the side, pressuring them or screwing them over to keep it a secret so they don't 'lose everything', taking advantage of their mental health problems whenever they get into a tight spot. Except with even less reason why Belle would stay with him and not see he's just a fucking coward. She's a teenager, but she's not stupid. She's a soap child - she's been through the ringer, and seen plenty of life. She wouldn't put up with this bullshit, or be fooled by it. I don't know what Emmerdale are thinking.
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Hestia
User: hestia8
Date: 2016-06-06 20:48 (UTC)
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I think he does sometimes and then forgets about it for a bit (tbf I think this is more a writing inconsistency than an intentional character thing). I'm not sure he was really trying to get in with Liv so much as thinking he had solved the problem (as he has done quite a lot recently). It's just the same over again. Robert makes a decision, IS WRONG, everyone else finds out and tells him he is terrible, Robert fails to learn from this.

I just DO NOT get why Belle went from telling him they couldn't be together to going along with this awful awful bullshit. His first thought was to save himself and say she was delusional when he knows her history! I'm not sure why his wife let herself be convinced (in universe - obviously it's for drama extension purposes), especially with that incredibly weak 'oh she must have seen me running and then somehow noticed I have a scar mmmhmm nothing to see here'

I was going to update about tonight's episode but it wasn't worth it (go away, Rhona and Pierce, and oh dear, Chas). However I do like how soap characters can just bugger off on holiday in term time and it's no trouble.
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girlofprey
User: girlofprey
Date: 2016-06-06 21:08 (UTC)
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I don't found anything inconsistent about Robert's writing, to be honest - or not before they decide to get him together with Aaron properly. He does it when there's a problem - when there isn't a problem (for him) he doesn't do anything, because I genuinely think he's a sociopath, and he just wouldn't put himself out for no benefit. But it's tomato, tomah-to I guess.

All through that scene I was calling 'tell her what the inside of her bathroom looks like, Belle!'. I'm pretty sure she went up there when they were at his house. Then again, she talked about how the tattoo was something he had to hide from his mum and that he got it when he was 17, which she couldn't tell just from looking at it, and that went over everyone's heads. They just want the storyline to continue, I guess. As for the rest - I don't know. I don't know how she found his story convincing. The ironic thing is that she started the affair when her mum told her love wasn't real, and she was all disillusioned - and now she's all 'I love him!', as though that explains everything.

I posted on Tumblr, actually, basically complaining about Rhona and Emma. I find it super hard to double-post, so it's kind of hit or miss whether I post here or there. There was nothing much to the post, though.
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Hestia
User: hestia8
Date: 2016-06-07 20:53 (UTC)
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I guess what I mean is that he's not good enough at it to be a sociopath, in my view - except for Chrissie back at the beginning (I guess, you know how terrible I am at remembering this stuff) no-one actually buys what he's selling because he's always getting accused/suspected of stuff, and apart from Victoria and Aaron, nobody really likes him anyway, they just put up with him (does this make sense? Idek). And I guess I'm not sure what it is about him that is worse than so many of the others in the show? What makes him worse than Cain, for example? They are pretty much doing the same things a lot of the time.

OH GOD YES that was so frustrating! Why wasn't anyone asking the right questions???? It is just a writing thing to extend the drama I think, there is no way it makes sense in-show. Uggggggh, why? Why on earth has she decided she loves him??

Oh, what's your tumblr? For my own sanity I have stopped looking at the tag because I couldn't take the nonsense people were writing (Robert is a perfect angel??? REALLY, PEOPLE??)
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girlofprey
User: girlofprey
Date: 2016-06-07 21:30 (UTC)
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Well, it's not really how successful he is at it that makes him a sociopath. It's just having a lack of empathy. Frankly, I think he's an incredibly realistic sociopath - not a supervillain, he just plain doesn't care about people, doesn't know how to understand what they're feeling, with all the problems having no emotional intelligence like that would bring, e.g. not understanding why Chrissie and Lawrence wouldn't want him on the premises if there's money to be made!!11, being genuinely angry that Aaron's accused him of things he has done and lied about before.

For me the difference between him and Cain is in his attitude, which I guess isn't a big deal if you only judge them by what they do, but if you're judging them by who they are and what they might do in the future is more important, I think? Cain does terrible things, but mostly when he wants to genuinely protect his family, and only seems to do it to get the job done. Also, he genuinely loves his family, and on other occasions will properly put himself out for them - so there's other facets to him, and something redeeming, something human about him? With Robert, he starts controlling people don't do what he wants, and acts as though he thinks they deserve it for not just doing what he wanted in the first place - classic abusive behaviour. And he clearly enjoys the power trip, in and of itself. He's cruel, and clearly enjoys being cruel. The bit at New Year's where he did what he did to Ross and then said "I just wanted to see you suffer" was like the ultimate expression of his character to me. Just wanting to see people who defied him suffer. And I don't feel like he really cares about anyone - I feel like he wants them, and arranges things so he can have them, and that's that. At best I feel like he manages them. I don't think he loves Aaron, when he made fun of him for self-harming, told him he was worthless because he didn't even kill himself properly, and once tied him to a radiator and tried to kill him just to keep his affair from getting out. I don't believe he really - genuinely - loves Victoria when he tried to stop her wedding to Adam, because he didn't like it. With other baddies, it's not that what they do is okay, but I can usually point to something fun or likeable about them that makes them worth it. With Robert I genuinely can't. From the first moment he came onscreen, and the minute Katie backtalked to him he called her a slag, I just...have no idea what anyone finds likeable, or even bearable, about him.

Also, I genuinely think he's emotionally abusive, constantly. Which, you know, Cain and Lawrence certainly have their controlling moments, but it's not constant. And having been through that, knowing how hard it is to live in constant fear of someone hurting you - physically or emotionally - if you step out of line, it's really hard for me to look at his relationship with Aaron and be okay with it. For me, I don't understand how people can hate characters like Lachlan and Gordon and not hate Robert. But people clearly do, so they must be seeing something I'm not.

Anyway. Belle's an idiot. My tumblr is purplehairsecretlair, but to be honest I don't even post there that much. Too many arguments with Robron fans. If you wish to read many, many more posts like this comment - and a lot of random posts - feel free to go there, though.
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girlofprey
User: girlofprey
Date: 2016-06-07 21:34 (UTC)
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And people certainly used to buy what he was selling. It was never believable, because he was never intelligent or charming enough to convince anyone - pretty openly vile really - but he absolutely did use to convince people. Now they mostly only use his attempts for comedy purposes. A bit like how they treat Tracy like a comedy character on Corrie, even though everyone knows she murdered someone. It's not my favourite trope.
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fredbassett
User: fredbassett
Date: 2016-06-03 22:14 (UTC)
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agreed on all this! but I love Cain!!
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Hestia
User: hestia8
Date: 2016-06-06 20:36 (UTC)
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I have been loving Cain and then he managed to turn being completely in the right with Holly to being SO VERY WRONG.

However he redeemed himself a bit with Belle, and I look forward to the point where he finds out they are really having an affair and just murders Dr Bailey or something.
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